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Song 23 -- Come Ye Sinners, Poor and Needy
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Author:  ConnieS [ Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:33 am ]
Post subject:  Song 23 -- Come Ye Sinners, Poor and Needy

I was kind of hoping you all would have some compelling favorites among the choose-a-hymn thread, and I was right.

This one lends itself so well to pennywhistle or recorder. Susan played this under the name of "I Will Arise and Go to Jesus." It's recognized by both names.

Here's the score:
http://praisewhistlers.org/exchange/son ... inners.pdf


Here's the tune:
http://praisewhistlers.org/exchange/son ... inners.mp3

Author:  Ren-Tin-10 [ Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:50 am ]
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***wags tail and folds ears back***

I can hardly wait! 8) 8) 8)

Author:  khl [ Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:00 pm ]
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This will be good. Susan's version was really nice (and we ought to post it here also) and I happened to have heard two versions that are on the way that are really nice. (One posted first at eZfolk and so I checked the TPE download site and there was another.) You're going to like them.

Author:  jrc [ Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:07 pm ]
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Here's one to start. I apologize for jumping the gun and using the embedded player; Connie can swap it out maybe for those of you with dial-up.

http://praisewhistlers.org/exchange/son ... rs_jrc.mp3

Just acoustic guitar and Clarke Original D.

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Thanks Connie!

Author:  khl [ Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:37 pm ]
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jrc wrote:
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Just acoustic guitar and Clarke Original D.

This is the one I heard on eZfolk. I like the Clarke original that I have, but jrc makes the Clarke sound better than it has a right to sound. 8) Nicely done.

Author:  Adrian [ Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:49 pm ]
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Whistle playing simply does not get much better than that. Well done jrc!
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Author:  jrc [ Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:17 am ]
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Thanks very much guys. I really like that Clarke whistle.

This a cool tune to play - I'm interested to hear what everyone else does with it. I 'feel' the more minor/modal songs like this and Out of the Depths. Just how my tastes run, I guess!

Thanks again!

Edit-

Anybody heard from Connie?

Author:  ConnieS [ Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:23 am ]
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Here's Susan's, posted here as well as on the previous thread.

http://praisewhistlers.org/exchange/son ... _susan.mp3

Author:  ConnieS [ Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:26 am ]
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Here's one from Ren-Tin-10:

http://praisewhistlers.org/exchange/son ... Tin_10.mp3

He says:

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This simply-unfooled-around-with dulcimer version was recorded in one take, mistakes and all.;)

Author:  ConnieS [ Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:33 am ]
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Khl leaves this one:

http://praisewhistlers.org/exchange/son ... rs_khl.mp3

And he says:

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This is played on an Abell F.

Author:  Walden [ Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:35 am ]
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This simply-unfooled-around-with dulcimer version was recorded in one take, mistakes and all.Wink
Very nice, Jim. I like the way you emphasized the melody with the sparse strumming.

Author:  ConnieS [ Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:36 am ]
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And I found this one from Walden in the upload folder:

http://praisewhistlers.org/exchange/son ... walden.mp3


I'm guessing tabor and drum? Let us know if you have more information on your tune, Walden. :)

Author:  Walden [ Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:38 am ]
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ConnieS wrote:
I'm guessing tabor and drum? Let us know if you have more information on your tune, Walden. :)

Pipe made by Daniel Bingamon, in brass. High D.
Tabor made by Walden, from a cookie tin, and with an old shammy for drumheads.

Author:  ConnieS [ Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:06 am ]
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I like it, Walden! Your drumming gives this song a happy mood.

Author:  Susan [ Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:50 am ]
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I listened to the four clips above in one sitting and have to say that I enjoyed all of them. I was amazed at how different they all are.

JRC, I liked the upbeat rendition and the improvisation on the whistle at the end was something else.

Walden, again I cannot fathom how you manage to play both pipe and tabor at the same time. I liked the strong beat.

Author:  jrc [ Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:04 pm ]
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I listened to the four clips above in one sitting and have to say that I enjoyed all of them. I was amazed at how different they all are.


Susan, it's funny you said that - I 'snuck' (sneaked?) a listen to Ren's Saturday when I uploaded mine and was struck by how different they were.

That's one of the cool things about doing songs like this IMO. We all have different leanings and tastes. I'm anxious to get home so I can listen to the others.

Author:  jrc [ Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:02 pm ]
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Yup - I just listened to the others - this is a good one.

Ren - That instrument just fits that song and that feel. Way cool.

Keith - I like you version very much too - especially the third time through. the ornamentation was sweet, especially the slide.

Walden, I'm amazed you can do both of those at once. Amazing.

Thanks guys - all get a's from me. GOOD STUFF!!!

Author:  Walden [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:53 am ]
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jrc wrote:
Walden, I'm amazed you can do both of those at once.

It's definitely harder than I might've thought, but it's a good experience for learning. I can now do one-handed rolls, on the drum, but I have a lot more practicing to do.

Author:  jrc [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:54 am ]
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I'm trying to picture this in my head - your tabor has 3 holes - two on top, one on the bottom, and you have to blow to get overtones? What's the usable range?

I've seen pictures on the internet of guys standing and playing - do you stand or sit?

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Is the drum played with a stick or your hand? I never heard of this kind of thing before - sorry for the 20 questions.

Author:  Walden [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:24 am ]
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jrc wrote:
I'm trying to picture this in my head - your tabor has 3 holes - two on top, one on the bottom, and you have to blow to get overtones?

The pipe (not the tabor... which is another word for drum) is played as you describe.

jrc wrote:
What's the usable range?

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With a good pipe, some higher notes can be achieved, and a couple of lower notes can be achieved by partially or fully covering the end of the pipe with the little finger.

jrc wrote:
I've seen pictures on the internet of guys standing and playing - do you stand or sit?


Either way.

jrc wrote:

Is the drum played with a stick or your hand?

A stick. It is a form of snare drum. Well, actually, the one I used on this clip didn't have a snare, because I made it with a snare, but it played better without it. The other clips have been with snared tabors.

The drums that I use are shallow and with heads on both sides. The word tabor is related to the word tambourine which is a shallow drum with jingles. Another form of the word tabor is tabret, which is used in the King James Bible.

jrc wrote:
I never heard of this kind of thing before - sorry for the 20 questions.

Your questions show interest. I'm happy to answer them.

Here's a Youtube of a taborer.
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Here's a band that has pipe and taborers.
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Author:  jrc [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:28 am ]
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SWEET! thanks for the lowdown.

I was searching on the internet yesterday and found a bunch of information as well. The range on paper of the pipe makes my ears ring looking at it.

Primitive instruments are something I've always thought was cool, and this is completely foreign to me - thanks for taking the time to put this together.

Blessings brother -

Jim

Author:  jrc [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:30 am ]
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ANOTHER question!!!

Strictly speaking, the tabor is the drum; so is the 'pipe' termed specifically a 'tabor pipe', or is there another name?

Author:  Walden [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:01 pm ]
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jrc wrote:
ANOTHER question!!!

Strictly speaking, the tabor is the drum; so is the 'pipe' termed specifically a 'tabor pipe', or is there another name?

In English, the name of the instrument is pipe. Being a rather vague word, it is usually referred to as a tabor pipe or a three-hole pipe, to distinguish it from other types of pipe. In Spanish it is called the three-hole flute. The word flageolet, in French, originally referred to the tabor pipe, and the classical flageolet developed from it had two fingerholes and a thumbhole for each hand. The English flageolet, patented in the 19th Century, moved the thumbholes to the front, making it easier to play but losing the chromaticism. Today the French tabor pipe is called a galoubet.

The word pipe originally referred to these instruments, and comes from an onomatopœia for the sound a bird makes.

jrc wrote:
The range on paper of the pipe makes my ears ring looking at it.

It's more conventional to show the music lower on the staff. I've redone the chart to reflect this. I think it'll scare people less, and also be more useful.

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Its usable range is similar to a fife. I used to think a low-pitched one is better, but after I got to really playing it, I realized that the smaller, and higher pitched ones stand out better against the drum. Mid-range instruments, like a Bb or low-G have proven to be a popular pitch for them.

Traditional English pipes tended to be in high D, like a pennywhistle, and the drums were small and shallow, and could be made from a cheese-wheel box.

Anther note on the drums:

The English used a shallow drum in the 19th Century, whereas the French used a deep one, and the Spanish used different sizes depending on the type of pipe, but all were suspended from the player, usually either from the piping hand, arm, or wrist, or else from the neck or belt. But it was always portable.

Author:  ConnieS [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:29 am ]
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From Blackhawk:

http://praisewhistlers.org/exchange/son ... ckhawk.mp3

He says:

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It's Come Ye Sinners, on my Humphrey Bnat.

Author:  Susan [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:29 pm ]
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Nicely played Blackhawk. I really like your Humphrey.

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