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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:22 am 
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Ok thumb hole or not???

I checked out the brass burke session d whistle.
Almost wipped out the credit card to purchase.
God is in control and said.... whoa!!! pull on those reigns.

I noticed in the selection... thumb hole.

Now, the thumb hole. Is that for a better sounding C natural?
Can't recall. Anyone every played one with a thumb hole?

Did it throw you off in your playing?

Below is a link with a pic.

http://www.burkewhistles.com/product.php?productid=16150&cat=254&page=1

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Oh, and is this whistle link the wide bore one mentioned in another thread?

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The thumb hole does give you a perfect C natural -- if you get used to having one on a whistle. A nice addition, but I never got the hang of it. Kept forgetting I had one on the one whistle thus equipped. Dana is the one to answer any questions about thumb holes -- she likes using them. :D

The wide-bore Burke in question on the other thread was one of Mike Burke's old style and can only be bought 'pre-owned' now. It didn't have the black tip. But the Session is his wide-bore version available now. I've heard good things about it, but haven't played one.


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I used to be in favor of thumb holes about 20 years ago but now I prefer whistles with out them. As not all whistles have thumb holes it becomes very confusing when you pick one up that doesn't have one. Best without.

It's odd that my fingers make a complete switch when I pick up a recorder and they don't get confused. They DID get confused in the whistle arena.

My three Burkes easily play Cnat and I'm sure yours will too.

As Judy said the Session is slightly different to the previous wide bore and does not clog as much, has a purer tone and less backpressure.


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I like the thumb holes. I think the C nat tone is a bit cleaner than the same C nat done cross-fingered on the same whistle. But it's still a spot-on C nat pitch-wise if you cross-finger, so it's really personal preference. I say get the thumb hole if you can afford it and then tape it over if you don't like it. I know--tape on the brass and all that, but if you turn out to like the thumb hole--I like it so well, I'd think it would be worth it to try.

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Oh, and then there is the dribble factor to consider ;)

Connie, your fingers don't get confused going from whistles with to whistles without? Ah, maybe you drilled holes in everything?


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Adrian wrote:
Oh, and then there is the dribble factor to consider ;)

Connie, your fingers don't get confused going from whistles with to whistles without? Ah, maybe you drilled holes in everything?


Oh........ I did not think about that. It will dribble out of the thumb hole???
Hmmmm..... I almost was sold.

Does it really get bad Connie?

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Oh, and then there is the dribble factor to consider ;)

Connie, your fingers don't get confused going from whistles with to whistles without? Ah, maybe you drilled holes in everything?


Oh........ I did not think about that. It will dribble out of the thumb hole???
Hmmmm..... I almost was sold.

Does it really get bad Connie?


Recorders are notorious for dribble out of the thumb hole. When Susan is back she'll be able to tell you all about it. I'd be interested to hear about Connie's experience with this issue. As she said, you could always tape it up.


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I haven't really had trouble with dribble coming out of the thumb hole. Gross! Michael does the curved windway thing. That probably helps. I got used to switching back and forth, but if I quit playing the Burke for a while my brain forgets to use the thumbhole to play Cnat. It doesn't matter though. A cross-fingered Cnat is a Cnat too.

The biggest problem you'll run into when you pick up a Burke with a thumbhole is forgetting to put your thumb on the hole. One or two sour notes later you'll realize your mistake and put your thumb on there. Then you'll be fine for the rest of your session, even if you just keep your thumb on the thumbhole. But practice often with your Burke and you'll remember.

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Connie

I'm interested to know if you have put thumbhole in most/all your whistles and flutes. This was my policy way back when.

Any ideas why recorders dribble but not whistles? Do you think it might be because recorders are usually made of wood or plastic rather than metal?

Now that the subject has come up maybe I'll get a thumb hole put in my next Burke. You quite rightly said that it does not have to be used.


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Hmm.... now I am sold.

Decisions, decisions... I really need a new Mic for the computer.
Sigh, And I would love getting a new mellower whistle before Christmas to play in the Choir.

Of course there is always that F whistle I have been wanting to add to the collection.

I have never ordered from Micheal Burke before.
Always purchased the whistles off of him in person.

How quick is he usually in getting orders out?

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Adrian wrote:
Connie

I'm interested to know if you have put thumbhole in most/all your whistles and flutes. This was my policy way back when.

Any ideas why recorders dribble but not whistles? Do you think it might be because recorders are usually made of wood or plastic rather than metal?


No, I wouldn't know how high or how low to place them. I just cover the thumbhole and use it whenever I remember it's there.

I have no idea why recorders dribble. Maybe it is the wood. My Greenwood whistle dribbles if I play it for any length of time. A thumbhole on that thing would probably drive me nuts. Plastic? I don't know. The Susatos don't dribble. Or maybe it's because I never play them long enough to dribble. Not that they're bad whistles--they're just low whistles and I play them only when needed.

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I admit, I have thumb C holes on all my whistles, whether made of brass, CPVC, or wood. I've never had one dribble. (bleah)

I really prefer the tonal quality of the C natural over the cross-fingered one, and it's perfectly in tune. Also, b-c-b and similar fingering transitions are much easier than cross-fingering. But I'm a Boehm flutist, and it just feels familiar. :)

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Wow! Now I want to go and put thumb holes on all my whistles! HOW DO I?

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Do you actually drill the holes? That's not something I'm brave (or coordinated) enough to try, but more power to ya! My thumb C holes are pretty much mid-way between holes 1 and 2, but directly opposite them, i.e. on the back side of the whistle. I suppose you could start with a small hole, and expand it in size till the pitch is right. (BTW, the C natural works perfectly in both octaves).

I happen to know a really great whistle maker that might do this if you ask nicely.

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Adrian wrote:
Oh, and then there is the dribble factor to consider ;)


This is why men invented ties. (Little known historical fact!) :mrgreen:

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(as I reach for my credit card)

No, NO.... NO........

I want one now!

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foothillsOH wrote:
(as I reach for my credit card)

No, NO.... NO........

I want one now!


Just buy it! You know you NEED it. ;)


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Dana wrote:
I happen to know a really great whistle maker that might do this if you ask nicely.


I would REALLY love to have thumb holes. I can pay chocolate or money or both. (Well, I could try to pay chocolate, but it's hard to get a full box of chocolates to make it to the post office.)

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Adrian wrote:
foothillsOH wrote:
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No, NO.... NO........

I want one now!


Just buy it! You know you NEED it. ;)



Sigh, check out the Whoa Be Gone thread.

I gotta justify my purchase. Which I am waiting to do at the moment.
Need to ask Santa about a mic.

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I once asked a whistle maker where to put a thumb hole, and he said he would let know. That was about a year ago. 8)


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Tommy wrote:
I once asked a whistle maker where to put a thumb hole, and he said he would let know. That was about a year ago. 8)


When I used to make PVC flutes yonks ago I put thumb holes between the first and second finger holes. Maybe Dana or Connie could give you the exact measurements of position and size of the thumb holes on their instruments.


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Tommy, Mack told me to put it exactly between the 1st & 2nd holes, on the back side (duh!) of the whistle. Start with a small hole, and keeping testing while you make it bigger until you get a perfect C natural.

(Correct me if I didn't get it right, please, Mack!)


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Well, thanks. That gets me started. But when I pull out the drill and pick up my Water Weasel or Greenwood.......I don't think I have the nerve. Okay, I'll try it on a Meg and see how it goes.

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ConnieS wrote:
But when I pull out the drill and pick up my Water Weasel or Greenwood.


:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


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