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 Post subject: More Advice Needed
PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:59 pm 
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I played in Church today for the second time. Be Thou My Vision on a Bb. With a pianist. This time I remembered to keep the whistle in my hands so it would not go cold, but once again, as I started playing, a performance anxiety began to affect my nerves, and I began to lose my place and actually forget where to go with my fingers on a peace I played over and over again.

I speak publically without notes every week with total ease and a sense of moment by moment annointing. This whistle, through which I think I truly desire to add to our worship has me nervous enough to panic.

Maybe the third time will be the charm, or maybe once a month is wrong and I am really a not ready for prime time player? I am eager for anything short of suggestions to see a psychiatrist????

Pastor Don in AZ :cry: :cry:


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 Post subject: Re: More Advice Needed
PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:16 pm 
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DonHen wrote:
I speak publically without notes every week with total ease and a sense of moment by moment annointing.

Bet you didn't when you first started out. ;)

Takes time, dude. It gets easier and more enjoyable after time. Keep at it.

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I love "Be Thou My Vision"! It's my signature song. Don't worry, You'll get better over time like Kitty said. Also, I've learned there's no such thing as a perfect performance. All you can do is refine it enough that your mistakes will be small enough that no one will notice. I can't think of a single time I have played in public when something hasn't gone wrong. I guess God's the only one who's perfect.


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Play for an audience of one ... and forget the rest. He already knows you mess up a lot .. so one more time won't make any difference ... He just wants you to play it because you love Him.

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Kitty is right that the nerves will go with playing in public the more times you play just as it does for speaking in public.

When I started playing in public I used to make a recording of the group playing the song(s) and play along to it many times at home. This may help.

Learning to improvise is very very helpful as you will quickly learn that it is possible to cover every mistake you make e.g. by turning bum notes into passing notes. This is very easy to learn to do on a diatonic instrument like the whistle.

Practice, practice, practice is the answer to most performance problems.


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Don, it gets easier each time you do it. But there's a learning curve. Just so you don't think you're the Lone Ranger, take a look at a clip of me playing in St Anne's church in Jerusalem. I had played this a million times, but when some Swedish tourists began singing with my playing, I was overcome with emotion and screwed it up. I only show you so you'll know others mess up, too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMOd7WgSwV0

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I love that clip! Connie played it for me back when you first posted it. I love it for its emotion. What a powerfull experience! I'd be shocked out of my wits if that happened to me.


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whistlenut wrote:
What a powerfull experience! I'd be shocked out of my wits if that happened to me.


Keep playing in public Josh and you'll have some amazing whistle experiences too.

I remember the first tune you posted. That had quite an emotional response from listeners here.


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I play that on my C set, and I always dedicate it to my mom as I think that it was her favorite. When I was a DJ at the local AM station, WCOK, she would call in on my Sunday program and request that I play it, sung by George Bernard Shaw.

I wish that I had played pipes then, but she passed on in 1991 at the age of 91.

Sometimes my sister will sing along with me when I play pipes or whistle at church. It freaked me out the first time she did it, but I recovered, just like you did.

Maybe when I get fed up with outside work (preparing a bigger "garden" for next year) and cleaning house, I can get back into reed making and get some better sounding drones. I have a reed that has a warped tongue, I think.

I need to record some and get them uploaded, but there doesn't seem to be enough hours in the day to complete my plans.


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 Post subject: All comments deeply appreciated
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:29 pm 
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I was blessed and encouraged by each of your comments. Blackhawk, thanks for that awesome video, and your mistake was tiny. and sometime tell me how you manage to travel everywhere. Lottery?
Rich Uncle passed?, Born wealthy? Amway???

Thanks, all.


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DonHen wrote:
I was blessed and encouraged by each of your comments. Blackhawk, thanks for that awesome video, and your mistake was tiny. and sometime tell me how you manage to travel everywhere. Lottery?
Rich Uncle passed?, Born wealthy? Amway???
None of the above, Don. If you're like most Americans, you own your own 3 bedroom house with a garage and yard. My wife and I (and my 20 year old son from a previous marriage) feel fortunate to have a tiny 2 bedroom condominium, with folks living above and below us (noisy folks, too), in a building that has 75 units in it. The median price for an average sized house in this area is $850,000 so there's no way in the world we can afford it, thus we have to settle for a tiny hole in the wall, unlike most American families. My wife and I both work, so there is a little extra money, and our priority is travel. It's not like we have a nice home that takes a lot of money for upkeep.

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whistlenut wrote:
I love that clip! Connie played it for me back when you first posted it. I love it for its emotion. What a powerfull experience! I'd be shocked out of my wits if that happened to me.
Thanks, Josh. As to being shocked out of your wits if something like that happened to you, I think it's just a matter of life experience. I am 54 years old and have only been a Christian for 7 years (as a matter of fact, it was 7 years ago today I found Jesus!). So for 47 years I made some really huge mistakes in my life, and feel fortunate to be alive and mostly well, and serving the Lord. In the light of the life mistakes I made, messing up a song is really, really minor. :)

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Blackhawk wrote:
(as a matter of fact, it was 7 years ago today I found Jesus!).


Happy Re-Birthday, D! :party:


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Judy K wrote:
Blackhawk wrote:
(as a matter of fact, it was 7 years ago today I found Jesus!).


Happy Re-Birthday, D! :party:
Thank you, Judy!! It's such a wonderful thing, finding Jesus after so many wrong-way years. As Jesus put it, "crossing from death to life."

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 Post subject: What we prioritze, we enjoy!
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Thank you so much Blackhawk for telling me the lay of the land. You made travel a priority. That is wonderful and so cool. I had a spiritual Birthday this summer 40 years a believer and 31 a teller of the gospel. I was 17 when the Hound of Heaven tracked me down, and He has made all the difference.

I know about San Jose realestate. Yikes. I have 2000 sq ft with a large yard in a gated community for less than 200K.

Blessed by your explanation, and of course the tease was in good fun.

In Christ,

Don in AZ


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 Post subject: Re: What we prioritze, we enjoy!
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DonHen wrote:
Thank you so much Blackhawk for telling me the lay of the land. You made travel a priority. That is wonderful and so cool. I had a spiritual Birthday this summer 40 years a believer and 31 a teller of the gospel. I was 17 when the Hound of Heaven tracked me down, and He has made all the difference.

I know about San Jose realestate. Yikes. I have 2000 sq ft with a large yard in a gated community for less than 200K.

Blessed by your explanation, and of course the tease was in good fun.

In Christ,

Don in AZ
No worries, brother! It just dawned on me that others might think I'm rich, too, so I thought an explanation might be in order. :)

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Next year (I was re-born on the 4th of July!) I will be 4 years old. :mrgreen: I would, if I were a gambling man, wager that I am the oldest and youngest member on the bbs. :u-pipes:

I'm poor in the filthy luchre, but hopefully, rich in spirit!


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Dear Don,
I was truly amazed to read your post--it so exactly mirrors my own experiences!
Last week I played "Be Thou My Vision" in Bb before preaching at a retirement home.
And Sunday night I played "Saviour Like a Shepherd" and "There is a Redeemer" on the Bb. I played all these to accompany the congregation singing.
I was able to play well, and keep the pace of the singers--but it was not always that way! The first times I played, like you, I forgot where I was and made all sorts of mistakes. A couple of times I just had to stop and sing along with the others! :oops: Other times I played too fast, and left them in the dust! Still, over time I am losing my rattle-nerved playing and am able to keep up with people (or slow down for them) as they sing. The secret, I think, is playing songs you know EXTREMELY well, and calming your nerves so that you can listen to the congregation sing as you play. I think this only comes with time.
I try to only play once in a while. As one wise person said here, "In music, less is more." Another trick is to play the song about a milliion times a few hours before you actually lead singing with it!
A whistle is excellent for leading worship! It has the volume and the "soul." Don't give up!! :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Excellent advice
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Thank you so much for that testimony. I have three group bible studies I teach weekly so I hope to practice the song leading with them. Practice, practice, practice.

Don


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By the way, Don, I also preach without notes! FREEDOM!!

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