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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:37 am 
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Do any of you experts use the Audacity compressor or normalize options on whistle tracks? Do they improve things.


How do I add a tiny bit of reverb?



Edited to remove the first question as i discovered the solution. :D


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Hmmm .... I've never used the click track or compressor, so can't help with those. "Normalize", to me, seems to make the track a little too loud -- so I use "Amplify" and leave it at -3 dB. For just a little reverb, you might try "Echo" with a shorter delay and decay than the default settings.

What does "compressor" do, any way? Where's Kitty when ya need her? :-s


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I don't personally use compression on whistles. though I haven't tried it, my inclination is that it would bring the chiff to the front and compromise the rest of the tone. I like the dynamics of the whistle too and compression would remove some of that. You can 'limit' effectively and not compress- there's a difference. I haven't used that section of Audacity so I can't comment on whats possible. Limiting should even the volume a bit without really killing the tone of the whistle.

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I don't personally use compression on whistles. though I haven't tried it, my inclination is that it would bring the chiff to the front and compromise the rest of the tone. I like the dynamics of the whistle too and compression would remove some of that. You can 'limit' effectively and not compress- there's a difference. I haven't used that section of Audacity so I can't comment on whats possible. Limiting should even the volume a bit without really killing the tone of the whistle.


Thank you. Any ideas on a hint of reverb with Audacity? Maybe we just have to record in our stairwell. ;)


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For nice reverb with little tweaking, try this VST plugin:

http://www.anwida.com/product.asp?pid=7

Works like a charm. If you need help adding a VST plugin, Audacity has good instructions on their website.

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/help/fa ... st-enabler

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I use Adobe Audition instead of Audacity, but the principles are pretty much the same.

If I use compression at all, it will be on a guitar track, never a whistle track.

Instead of normalizing intermediate results, I usually amplify or de-amplify the tracks until I get what sounds like a good balance. I save the normalization for the final results. That way, if the tracks are combined on a CD, my listeners aren't driving themselves nuts tweaking the volume up and down.

I don't really like the reverb presets in Audition for use with a whistle (they're all either too much or not enough), so I do it by making a copy of the track and sliding the copy back and forth against the original until I get a sufficient amount of reverb.

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:thumbsup: Thanks folks. Things are coming together now!


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Ren-Tin-10 wrote:
I don't really like the reverb presets in Audition for use with a whistle (they're all either too much or not enough), so I do it by making a copy of the track and sliding the copy back and forth against the original until I get a sufficient amount of reverb.


How do you 'slide' the copied track? This will give a kind of echo rather than a true reverb, is that right? I'd like to give it a try.


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ConnieS wrote:
For nice reverb with little tweaking, try this VST plugin:

http://www.anwida.com/product.asp?pid=7

Works like a charm. If you need help adding a VST plugin, Audacity has good instructions on their website.

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/help/fa ... st-enabler


Connie, I just downloaded this plug-in to my Audacity plug-in folder(also the VST bridge) and unzipped it. However it does not show up in Effects, any ideas? Thanks


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I just tweak the Gverb settings in Audacity until I find something I like.

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KittyR wrote:
I just tweak the Gverb settings in Audacity until I find something I like.



But you are a professional sound geek! :roll:


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Adrian wrote:
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I don't really like the reverb presets in Audition for use with a whistle (they're all either too much or not enough), so I do it by making a copy of the track and sliding the copy back and forth against the original until I get a sufficient amount of reverb.


How do you 'slide' the copied track? This will give a kind of echo rather than a true reverb, is that right? I'd like to give it a try.


It doesn't if you only slide it a few milliseconds. You may need to zoom in first.

I don't know how it works in Audacity, but in Audition, you click and hold the mouse somewhere in the track, and move it back and forth.

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I'm not one of the experts in recording .... but on my version Audacity, in the upper left hand corner, there 6 buttons: Selection Tool, Envelope Tool & Draw Tool on top - Zoom tool, Time Shift Tool & Multi-Tool Mode on bottom. I've use the Time Shift "<->" to move a track.


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Actually, Adrian, here is a shot of my office this morning, just for you.

(complete with watercolor paintings by LisaD on the wall)

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I'll be working in Audacity later today so I'll write down some reverb settings for you.

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Adrian wrote:
ConnieS wrote:
For nice reverb with little tweaking, try this VST plugin:

http://www.anwida.com/product.asp?pid=7

Works like a charm. If you need help adding a VST plugin, Audacity has good instructions on their website.

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/help/fa ... st-enabler


Connie, I just downloaded this plug-in to my Audacity plug-in folder(also the VST bridge) and unzipped it. However it does not show up in Effects, any ideas? Thanks


I know you probably know this, but do make sure you unzipped it to the plug-ins folder in your Audacity folder which lives in your Program Files folder. There may be a VST folder in your Program Files folder, but that's not where it goes. It must be in Audacity's plug-ins folder.

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KittyR wrote:
Actually, Adrian, here is a shot of my office this morning, just for you.

(complete with watercolor paintings by LisaD on the wall)

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I'll be working in Audacity later today so I'll write down some reverb settings for you.

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Nice speakers. Nice watercolors. I think I may have the same webcam. We gotta skype sometime.

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ConnieS wrote:
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ConnieS wrote:
For nice reverb with little tweaking, try this VST plugin:

http://www.anwida.com/product.asp?pid=7

Works like a charm. If you need help adding a VST plugin, Audacity has good instructions on their website.

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/help/fa ... st-enabler


Connie, I just downloaded this plug-in to my Audacity plug-in folder(also the VST bridge) and unzipped it. However it does not show up in Effects, any ideas? Thanks


I know you probably know this, but do make sure you unzipped it to the plug-ins folder in your Audacity folder which lives in your Program Files folder. There may be a VST folder in your Program Files folder, but that's not where it goes. It must be in Audacity's plug-ins folder.


Thanks. Yes I unzipped both to the plug-in folder. I'll try again.


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Ren-Tin-10 wrote:
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I don't really like the reverb presets in Audition for use with a whistle (they're all either too much or not enough), so I do it by making a copy of the track and sliding the copy back and forth against the original until I get a sufficient amount of reverb.


How do you 'slide' the copied track? This will give a kind of echo rather than a true reverb, is that right? I'd like to give it a try.


It doesn't if you only slide it a few milliseconds. You may need to zoom in first.

I don't know how it works in Audacity, but in Audition, you click and hold the mouse somewhere in the track, and move it back and forth.


Thanks. With yours and Connie's help I can move the track now. This will be useful and I will use this but it does not give me the warm reverb sound I'm after. Thanks again.


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Adrian, I'm not sure why Anwida wouldn't show up in your effects menu. Try playing with Gverb. If nothing else, beef up the dry signal in just about any reverb plugin. Just a little wet, a lot dry, should mean just a little reverb. Also decrease the size of the room it's emulating. That's just a scratchy set of ideas. The computer I'm on at the moment doesn't have Audacity on it.

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Yikes!! I need to clean my computer. And change my calendar. Here's my work station today.

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A better shot of the screen. That's something I'm working on for the Christmas folder. Can anyone figure out what the song is?

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